FILE DATE: October 18, 2019 | STATUS: LOGGED
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Source Link: Watch on YouTube Channel: Zugzug Zugzugson
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slight spergery included. p.s sorry about the mic quality in the beginning, its fixed around 9:30
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**[00:00]** in that and it's just it's hard for me too it takes time for me to get over it school right right I can hear your text-to-speech there yeah we have text-to-speech have you checked out my site well are you still like where do you even stream now I haven't been I'm kind of out of the loop oh my god oh my god Sami tell him you go TV yeah yeah in you realize that kind of sounds
**[00:36]** like Google right right we don't have a good night obey the going nose shut it down yes so what what what are you up to these days I mean what do you do besides you know sending death threats chillin chillin and sending death threats yeah chewing our friends seems like a proper thing to spend your time on I mean you know I'm wasting my life playing World of Warcraft and Here I am well that's that's cool
**[01:23]** that's cool so did you think about it streaming no that's too cringe I don't want to be the next Esmond gold right if the world has enough in one of those guys yeah there's yeah I mean yes I think you're right well no I I'm pretty much just been you know working on the site and you know building things and working you have a job yeah I've been self-employed the past 10 years oh you mean working
**[02:06]** on your streaming site yeah now I considered you know like how's it coming along it's actually really good like if I it has text-to-speech now and it has should I check it out yes I think you should right now we're running a Joker theme but it's obviously every week that's gonna change so this week it's toga theme and I think we're gonna be running a Viking theme next week I feel like it I feel like a
**[02:40]** Viking theme coming in next week I don't know that's how I feel so that's sort of what yeah I think it's gonna be Viking themed next week theme coming in next week I see that's how yeah in a particular reason for Viking theme somebody came up with a logo it's always defeater food no I don't think so somebody sent a Viking logo and I thought that was pretty cool you know I could implement that into a
**[03:19]** theme and then make it bigger you know like you status or logo and then make something that would fit with that for next week so I guess it inspired me I mean it was pretty cool there may I may I see your terms of so there they are yes sir katie is life Kitty style is life key styles love everything Katie says is long pay respect or get dunked on well that's that seems a little totalitarian
**[03:59]** for someone who believes in democracy wait did I say I was for democracy no I was that was just a joke the like Hitler I I like it with armed totalitarian yeah well that's basically saying I like Hitler so are you even aware that you are actually you know authoritarian oh yeah I mean already here on the first rule the very first rule I haven't even gotten through the next 16 the other wise or not it's
**[04:33]** only the first rule because if I wanted to start out like that's okay that's harsh and then there other ones are like there were doors very easy okay well that's kind of up to interpretation I mean you at the same time we don't want to have a lot of problems all the time where it's just escalating into just in fights you know what I mean oh yeah sure but that's what I mean like if I see
**[05:26]** if that sort of breaks out then then I probably will revert back to rule number one and say hey you know what's the problem here you know can you can you so you know I'm getting serious I'll take my i'll take my father roll-on if somebody if you know if as you say it's it's not it's like a little bit like it's not black and white that one right so the way I look at is like
**[05:56]** if something sort of escalates then I'll cut through and say any what's the how how can we solve this okay but what if if both parties are vehemently disagree we might check them in on for discord and then say well what's you know here now we put you two together figure it out you got okay one hour and then I come back and if it's not resolved then I'll jump into the argument after an hour I
**[06:27]** guess like something you know take it you know what seems logical in the moment you know what I mean like case by case yeah sure yeah what does concern trolling mean I'm just curious I as everyone has a different definition of that it's like if you fake ass [__] you know if you're like so basically it's wrong you're and then it's like just mean [__] and you're like well that's really [__] you know [Music] it's not
**[07:17]** it's not a black and white rule it's like it depends on situation from situation but it's there for people to be like oh oh right okay so you know you can't be you know deliberately mean to somebody and then pretend to be good to somebody and be like oh but I'm just I'm just a good guy in Iran what do you mean pretend I mean some people you know angry I mean this has been the spirit
**[07:43]** of basically fit wave TV yeah but but that's the that's our point is that is yes that's okay like I don't think this there's anywhere in the rule where it says you can't you have to like everybody in fact it says if you don't like somebody you know I'm just gonna question you because I for them basically no stalking if caught like what does that mean I mean if someone is following a streamer usually on Twitch
**[08:39]** or something no no no no but if there's a link but if there's a clear link between somebody who watches over here right and and you see something gets good actually kitty kitty hold on let me let me plug in my headphones because I have a feeling that I you know fire that's very hypocritical mm all right and we're back yeah so can you continue to elaborate on that yeah warmest - which one would you get
**[09:29]** you again number four no stalking if caught this we're in a band yeah it's it's like if if there's proven a link between like comments on ML poll for instance and a person that hangs out here then that might not you know that might not lend to well well you feel a little little riff is like well I wrote this on ml poll [__] you you know or you know it's like that's an immediate fan right
**[10:04]** there why because that's really what's wrong with ml poll there's nothing wrong with it it's just so if anyone had read something on there and they reiterate it on your site that's a ban no not if they read them it could be you know if I feel like that person is the main person that is trying to push that right like you have a feeling whether you know is it somebody that is making a reference to
**[10:40]** it or somebody that's stalking most likely it's somebody that has something to do with it because why else would they go there and check it right so it's no maybe something you know it's try to eradicate the Jews in Germany but totally failed at it and kind of my everyone look like clowns yeah yeah so the thing is that there's nothing let me finish what if someone was to reread evila ureteric reiterate something that he said
**[11:18]** on your website would that be considered you know I've not a problem a banner okay okay on to the next point then five no bullying no rather than a permanent ban teasing is that okay in you know quotes wait wait so it's just just to be 100% clear it's it's like this people can make a reference to something on some of those sites and that's not a problem but if it if if if if you if
**[11:49]** they give this feeling that it's like if they come back all the time and it's like oh did you see this new comment I have nothing to do with it and then you feel like this person had everything to do with it you know what I mean then just that's just that that's sort of feeling that you get that this person is it's called intuition sir yes exactly so is my intuition tells me that that's the
**[12:13]** culprit then then that's that's gonna be a cut right they're just gonna be like yeah right yeah I know but it's just yeah that's I I can just tell by myself you know that that's but that's I don't I I have a question I can hear myself through your speaker there sir mm-hmm they the point number five and number four seemed to be pretty much the same thing yeah so yeah so they're good yes and actually
**[12:54]** number six no viciousness lying slander and deformation this rule was sold in a permit ban it every basically every single rule that you put up there basically says hey if you if you defy me you're gonna get a ban that's correct and then number okay that's pretty gay but okay number seven be good if you can't be good be as good as you can be what does that mean like what about you me I'm Nam not
**[13:26]** I I wouldn't consider myself very upstanding good person and there would be space for you right so it's not like it's not like hey you gotta be you gotta bring your a-game it's not like that it's like whatever I we're talking about the Holocaust and [__] all day would you accept that no you could take it as a topic the next because the next point is hate speech is not tolerated and then you know hate speech
**[14:07]** is just a term for something that someone doesn't like you know if I'm talking about how you know I don't believe the Holocaust ever happened etc that's an opinion that's totally fine that's not yeah okay but what if I was to slander choose for all the [__] they do in the world would that be considered aids but that's fine you know that's how you feel about things as long as you don't say you know as long
**[14:34]** as you don't call for action you know what I mean yeah you want but you just don't you know like okay that's you know what I mean don't march in and be like are we would we should just kill all these people [__] these people you can say these are people they're [__] all right that's torn Jews are not people they're vermin and then number nine and there's space for that as well even though you could
**[15:08]** say racist but all right you gotta you gotta realize I'm testing the waters here a little bit yeah and I'm responding so so you know so so you get the sort of I'm just trying to get into the logic behind these rules here so number nine says don't be a jerk nobody likes a jerk I mean I'm definitely a jerk hmm so it's a guideline it's a guideline it's like you know we understand that not everybody
**[15:40]** is perfect it's back to the rules like be as good as you can we understand and not everybody's got special children so in that sense it's like just bring bring brings the best you can you know what I mean it will be understood that it's not what if what if people are intent on bringing the worst of the worst that you can then they will then definitely they will not they will be cut off I mean
**[16:09]** when I say the word could be the best in your mind because you know we've been through this plenty of times by now and I'm pretty sure that you do not like Hitler like I do and you know if I was to you know just play video him and his speeches all day yeah I mean what would you have a problem with that it would be probably food all day if the intention was to just be
**[16:41]** like annoying you know what I mean how do you mean what do you mean annoying like how do you know that I'm just being annoying and that I'm not trying to spread a message see that's the thing is that it's like people heard you the first time yeah but how do you distinguish between them between a troll and someone who is honest I think somebody was saying okay you know we heard it now so it's like
**[17:08]** it's like you know sir if if they are like you know I heard it now well I mean why don't they just [__] off then if they already heard it I mean it's like because thing I started to come here there's there has to be space for everybody so it's like you're free to say and put those you being a hypocrite now because you just told me that you can't say these things on repeat every day
**[17:32]** because you know all we are exactly on the same breath you're saying you're telling me that yet that this is a community and everyone should be allowed to speak their mind so yeah you you're saying there is a limit to you know free speech on your platform and then there's not a limit to free speech on you yeah so let me try and a little bit clearer so it's a little bit like you know it's like
**[18:02]** you can say whatever you feel like and everybody's gonna hear it and then everybody's gonna register and say alright but you can only say it one is that it and you can say it twice as well we like it well that's five times I suppose but just always have in mind that at some point is like yeah this is just I'm just doing this to be and no you don't want to mean like it's there's a
**[18:27]** difference between saying something and then you know shoving [__] down people's throats I don't know I mean it really depends on who is willing to have [__] shot down their throat you know I mean that's the thing nobody's willing to do it in a community so it's like it's like if it turns to honey you know I mean communities are widely you know different from each other for example yeah German community is vastly different from a
**[18:57]** Danish community a Danish town is vastly different from a Swedish town and same way from Sweden to Norway from Norway to Finland from Finland to Russia I think you should think in terms of balance I don't think so I mean why well try and think in terms of balance you know balance things out you know instead of said me well you could go well I can post this all day or I could post this some of
**[19:28]** the day and then I could be serious other parts of day and then I could have some funny inputs like you could ship things up so you were more an interesting person and so I guess that's that's what encouraged here is that you know instead of being somebody who was annoying and just be like ah here is a million times and everybody's heard it then you could be like well I could just like I like these
**[19:53]** things so I'll show this but I don't have to shove it down people's throats oh and other times half of the day maybe I could try and say something funny or just chill out or listen to what other people have to say you catch my drift like it's fine some kind of balance between you know there's there's just nothing wrong with stone in your opinion and even saying something that can be obscene or you could even
**[20:16]** get away with being a jerk from time to time as long as you find that magical balance words like these rules are guidelines if you push any of those it's gonna be a problem but if you respect it and say oh yeah right right right right you know this is there's this room you can you define respect for me it's about self-control you know it's about it's about thinking about that everybody needs a space right like
**[20:47]** it's like everybody needs to be here so with that in mind you're like well Ryan everybody has to be here there could be and you know there could be a fifteen-year-old and there could be like a 60 year old and and there could be whatever somebody who works with this and somebody works with that and they were vastly different and so if you put that into your mind and be like wait so everybody's got to be
**[21:14]** here and I got to be here too and then you then try and respect that community that it is so I have to you know be careful about what I say because if some but her child gets his feelings or her feelings hurt then I am to blame is that it no why wouldn't you just make why wouldn't you just make the site you know plus 18 and above so that you wouldn't be trapped by that
**[21:45]** class all because I wanted to be a space where everybody can be why because I think it's beautiful to have a space where like children has anything to do in the bit wave or or your community for that matter I think it's it's a bad idea and you're only gonna get yourself into trouble okay listen to my advice I know many things there I get it but I don't like I don't really care what aids people
**[22:22]** are like I don't I actually prefer if it's animals so but well why wouldn't you make the rules so that it's +18 only so that you can't be caught by any you know but her parents or something like that because you know if someone from America especially America because the law is very different over there if let's just say a 15 year old girl from America and made a user on your side right and they ended
**[22:53]** up being super harassed on your platform and there were such those things I will not allow that you're just one person I have months they will also keep control of their when I get more months but this yeah but how do you know how do you know those mods are to be trusted like for example if you were to ever make me a mod you think I would uphold your rules do you think I would go
**[23:29]** around you know I don't know but there months that I have there good so okay you're helpful people that are helpful I wanna you know contribute they usually get the chance and then let's see how it goes and the people that have modded they they're doing a good job you know I'm sure don't be doing even better in the future I don't know of a good job to be honest I mean when I've seen you modding
**[23:55]** your chat in for example on Streamy or bit wave or whatever the [__] I've encountered you I don't think you've been doing a very good job of it gonna be honest and I don't think you're much I've been doing a very good job of it what do you say to them I well I don't know I don't know how do you know if the jaw if I'm not is doing a good job or a bad job
**[24:30]** I don't know I'll look at it but regarding um regarding the toss an 18 I think that what I should put there is that you know if you're under 18 it's your own responsibility and your score you should ask you know that's not how the law works everyone yeah yeah yeah and and you didn't hear what I had to say so let me finish so I think it's gonna be like this if you're under 18 then
**[25:09]** you should ask your parents whether you're allowed to be here or not if not then you should go away if you're maint if you think really we really think kids are gonna ask their parents if they can be on a third doesn't matter it's in the tongs says do you know it's it they can meet so you know it's it's like it covers everything legally I don't care how old people are but I tell you what
**[25:36]** I will cover myself like that and say that you know it's completely up to people themselves because I don't see I don't want to take responsibility for other people I want people to take responsibility for themselves but you're the I do something is your own [__] you know you you somebody else does something that's don't [__] [__] people should know that this site you know will whose show may be obscene financial may be okay there will
**[26:07]** be nudity have things like that and I tell you I've got to put it in the tallest that that if you're under 18 you should consult your parents whether it's okay to be on the site or not if not then it's you know okay so hypothetical what if the parents say no and they do it anyway what do you do then then I like what can I do you can ban them well sure if I mean
**[26:37]** that's what it is Mexico is warring there TOS right but that of course but that depends that that that also entails that I have to know that if I know that and of course they won't be able like they'll be kicked out you know yeah I guess so yes good point okay so let's move on to the next one number ten facilitate a loving and supporting environment be an asset to the community successfully doing this will
**[27:08]** get you a lot of respect and possibly power parentheses so does that mean I would be able to get power if I you know suck your dick enough no I'm not quiet it has to be for the entire community you know I mean what does it mean it means if you work with the site if you work with the people if you make people feel welcome if you were there to spend time if you were there
**[27:37]** to support you know say hi to people make them feel welcome it's a it's a bunch of things you know it's about what if you're a mom mom what if you don't like what someone has to say and you call them out on it and they get mad then that's not had been material okay so here number eleven no nudity in the form of sextortion what does that mean it means you can't expose people's nudes if
**[28:08]** they are if they don't give consent is a semi their right mind would actually give consent to that I don't know like their porn stars that want to have their name out and things you know okay rights the same lines are okay so if I found semi nude of someone even without their consent would I be able you might want to clarify on that rule number 11 alright so number 12 in general I think it's covered
**[28:47]** as well as that if I think there's something about don't don't dogs people and know like don't put people's private things into it so they will also entail this sir you can do all of them when you upload your loose to the internet they're no longer private it doesn't matter on the site it's not yes it does matter you can't just be oh that's private [__] and then be like oh but I also want to have
**[29:14]** it out there that's hypocritical I don't want to have it out there well too late Sir yeah but I can still say on my site that you know don't share that because I don't want to look at it I think it's rape you know I think that that's yeah I think so required I think hey I think is really disgusting and it doesn't belong on my site okay uh so number twelve no daxing do not share
**[29:51]** personal information about others doing so Ruis all in a permanent ban what does that exactly mean like what is personal information being stopped post or address or pictures or anything that's anything removed what if what if someone were to be like it using a webcam wait say like if someone were using a webcam on their dream and someone took a screenshot mm-hmm would that be considered Daxing I suppose that could pass you know like if it's
**[30:34]** like oh you know think of it maybe like this you think of it like it's the streamer gonna like this or it's a streamer gonna feel very uncomfortable about this I mean it's the streamers don't fall for using a webcam no we're not talk about fault I'm just thinking the terms of is the streamer gonna like that you share that picture or is the streamer gonna feel very uncomfortable and say I don't like that at all
**[31:00]** okay so if that is the case why would they be doing it in the first place I'm just trying to get your logic here because I don't really see the logic is that you can you can take something and you can make it uncomfortable for people no matter what it's like it's like it's like it's like you take a [__] on like let me give you another example maybe this you if you film yourself taking a
**[31:27]** [__] and you post it online how can you possibly blame someone for sharing it with other people well yeah you have a point there you have a point there so it's not like if somebody goes on a stream and on a cam and you print screen' it and you're like it that's funny you made a funny expression and whatever and then you you post it right after it's like hey look at this it was funny then
**[31:50]** you got a figure that there but I mean what if the streamer don't like it what if they suddenly regret doing it and it's too late what then then then you should respect that then you as to get banned well so they can basically they can they can basically do something stupid on stream and then you know after everyone records it and starts posting it elsewhere they can just recreate it and then you they can have
**[32:20]** people been is that is that it says really yeah like if it gets caught like if it's like wait these people are doing this that's not good I still don't get it that's a like opposite world for me like how do you get away with filming yourself taking a [__] let's just be a mega hypothetical here okay hmm look if you took a recording of yourself on the toilet taking a [__] and suddenly people started thinking
**[32:53]** that was very funny and they started posting it on say Kiwi farms and then you later you know regret viewing it as a streamer I'm not saying you whoever it might be there's not much I can we can do about it but second of there's a rule earlier in the toss where it says don't you know don't do that stuff that's considered stalking in a way we'll get and I mean I see where I'm from right
**[33:24]** so so you know building on what you're saying right is I get it you know people do something stupid you want to show it to the world but it just doesn't it's it's like this is what I want from what I got from this site is that people you know they should be able to do something without feeling like oh I'm gonna get exposed in five minutes and have like it's like you don't you really I
**[33:52]** really don't want to have people you know like it's thick I want people to feel like that you can make a [__] mistake without you know like oh now it's gonna end up on every signal like what's up with that what's up with that it's not gonna it's not gonna work them you know someone is so Elena's gonna make a misstep or [__] up somehow and get laughed at and when they don't like being laughed at
**[34:18]** they can't just go out of their way I mean in my opinion anyway they can't just go out of their way to cry about it and have and insist that someone or some group of people should be shut down do you know what I mean [Music] yeah yeah I suppose you suppose but that's I would rather have people you know you know be embarrassed by themselves you know make up for the you know like it I
**[34:51]** just don't want people to be exposed and put in a bad spot just because they you know do something silly on a camera like this should be they should only silly things that's what streaming is about yes yes yeah so so people like I don't know how where's the line between regret and tolerance well again I think that's it like a self containment kind of question right it's like find the hell and I sing along with
**[35:29]** you on that yeah yeah I know it's like if people have different opinions on that but it's like I think it's like you you just gotta accept that people aren't perfect you know what I mean it's like they'll [__] something up and then everybody's gonna laugh and then you move on it's not public it's not like well we're gonna [__] expose that this debt I don't I am so against it and if I could toss my
**[35:53]** way out of that I would because I don't like that oh this guy made a mistake now we're gonna turn alized that on a different site somewhere else and talk behind everybody like Jesus Christ no well then maybe the guy show you make mistake to begin with have you thought about that I think making two rooms doesn't make it right well two wrongs I mean I don't know that depends on what the second along is well
**[36:20]** the second wrong is just exposing people what is what do you consider exposing I get it went up putting [__] up and be like oh look at this fool huh you know that's really mean so I mean you said earlier that that's so no it actually says to the toss that's not allowed don't be vicious yeah but then I asked about you know point number nine don't be a jerk nobody likes a jerk and you specifically
**[36:51]** see a jerk but that can be it right there is vision having a jerk and being this is being a jerk is like you come in as like hey jerks are usually this is business by Nature there's a difference between being vicious and a jerk jerk is just somebody that comes in and say hey what's up [__] was a failure like what the [__] you know you look like you look [__] ugly today you can say
**[37:17]** bye [__] it's like you go behind people's back you stamp them and you're like well [__] this [__] you know I'm gonna [__] hate this very piece like it that doesn't belong here it really doesn't belong here okay and people have maybe maybe they're gonna pull it to somewhere else and that what do I know like I don't know this site is gonna be about creativity and about crafts not so much like people making like getting
**[37:44]** drunk and doing [__] in in real life like it's that's not even I still blame them and putting it out there for you better realize you've got to realize that they have a certain percentage of responsibility right right and so that's remaining is that and of course streamers are some responsibilities are responsible for how they act everybody is responsible in the same way those streamers and viewers alike okay so next point point number 13 do not
**[38:25]** show cake murders gore and other extreme violence this might result in a tie my time out or even a pen a permanent ban I first of all I want to know what is a what is suffice for a temporary ban on your side like because it seems like everything here is a perma ban if you break any of these rules there's no such thing as a temporary ban no vibes people have been banned twenty-four hours 12
**[38:55]** hours one hour depending on what they've done you do know there's no hard to get past but who is this James Smith hello James hey Zack yeah hold 10 seconds and then you're around that bad it's not huh I mean can't people just make a new account and then be right back to what they were doing before wait was it 13 and you read number 13 yeah the lovely pig murders or another extreme violence this might
**[39:33]** result in a timeout or a warning or even a pen yeah I mean I guess the timeout is the temporary when you're talking about but usually a timeout is just like you know 10-minute punishment from chat would be an hour or six hours whatever okay hours the smallest so here's probably the most interesting part of the toss number 14 you forgot a thought after 14 by the way no underage sex pedophilia the gifts with children are
**[40:08]** not considered CP if you concern troll please have rule number three in mind can you elaborate on this because fewer a more literally concern trolling week ago and so I just wanted to cover that because fewer they're posting gifts from the here let me show you're on the site right I ain't sure I want to see that kitty what means with children are not considered I mean is it just children playing on a playground like there's
**[40:41]** these gifts it's 10 or gives right so it's not hard for people to find like yeah just take a random one right like it's like this you're right no no but but look at look at the gifts right so am I gonna get arrested for this of course you're not like it's like see okay so you people who are concerning right now you you should get banned I don't know I mean a second your head number
**[41:14]** 14 covers sir I'm not looking at your chat I'm just looking at the alright I'm look at the tenth these two people that are typing right now they're gonna get banned are you sure that I won't get [__] arrested for this of course these are part of the check yeah but I mean knowing your history [__] off why are you posting half-naked children well that's not really I mean that's just a question it's concerned trolling and
**[41:54]** it's like it's it's lame what does he mean though why don't you address the question what do you think so there was no actual picture there I thought I was gonna get incriminating there for a second sir you can go ahead and explain I will be listening in the background when they concern themselves with you know like oh look at these pictures or that's so sick and then that's an immediate ban because I don't want it
**[42:22]** it's like [__] so people post these things and then are like all are you showing your child porn on yours like what what are you talking about this is part of the chat these are 10 or gifts these are standard gives standardized gifts if you want to complain about like B or decide about that III honestly I like you're not gonna you just kinda get kicked out well what if let's just try to take that guy's
**[42:52]** comment into consideration why would you accept the half naked children posting stuff as long as it's not you know blatant child porn the whole point that's guys what I'm asking I think it's kind of weird that I mean that this rule is very very vague I mean yes it says no underage sex pedophilia but gifts with boyfriend are not considered CP I mean according to who you write so I just showed you the gifts right that's
**[43:26]** not that's not child porn any of that these are standardized gifts I don't use those I could give you as an example this is an example you haven't shown me any gifts not that I want to see them I'm prefer if you can describe it I like are you blind I mean I am looking at the chat and I don't see any [__] oh my god okay not not not not not very enthused by that I
**[43:57]** would know but they're part of the they're part of the ten or you know they're part of the standardized gifts I don't know who put those into the standardized gifts and I don't care either the thing is and this is why like this is about number fourteen so they would be posting these pictures right so they'd be posting that and then it'd be like why are you showing pitifully on your site that's concerning to me that's
**[44:20]** that's the biggest [__] I've seen also the fact that they react like that that's concern trolling to me I want to kick it I want to ban them instantly and why are they sweat the [__] what I mean I would I would probably ban something like that I mean that's I think that what this even if it's not blatant you know child porn or pedophilia or whatever it's still like you know it's the the community of
**[44:46]** these sites and the people that frequent here I mean you know why they're doing it they're not doing it just to show you that their child is good at dancing or whatever no they're doing it to provoke or I mean I don't even know how to respond to this this is [__] exactly so they're doing super oh and I'm not I'm not putting up with it people people give me [__] like that I'm gonna ban them
**[45:13]** instantly there's no I will not put up with it it pisses me off because like what the [__] is a [__] picture but you didn't you post that I mean I didn't see the name on okay so I'm sorry we were talking about a rule Oh remember number 14 and then I said I'll give you an example remember yes and now you're asking me why I posted that are you you do not remember what we talked
**[45:44]** about five three minutes ago yeah couldn't you just you know elaborate on it without actually no you know I can show you to show you how [__] is also their reaction is this is they're showing it exactly in this I don't put up with that [__] okay so let's just skip to the next rule now drink responsibly if you're going to thrive just kidding don't do that at all drink as much as you want just don't
**[46:19]** drive while you do it what the hell does that have how does that have any relation to you that's just for fun that's just for fun well that if you want people you take your you can you can't make jokes like that in the toss I mean I was gonna take it seriously man I could remove that I was just I was writing the toss so it's like okay I thought people would could see the humor
**[46:48]** in that I mean I guess it is humor 16 is allowed to have fun okay that's not really you know something to argue about but number 17 this wavers will be dogs and have their eyepiece great and turned over to the police anyone doing anything sinister to my server that's because they're trying to hack into the side and using it in in unwanted ways so I had to type that into it and say okay if you
**[47:22]** know it basically it doesn't apply it applies once people use the server in ways I don't find productive you know if you would try to suck out all the bandwidth and [__] with this server or hack into like that means in I don't think anyone has the capability to hack into your your website unless you give them the kalam but there was there some there were some attempts to do some [__] the other other day and
**[47:53]** so I rolled it into Lane I haven't like I said I've been out of the loop so I have no [__] idea they were just trying to they were sitting over there talking about how they could siphon all the bandwidth and just like empty the server for you know bandwidth and they wanted to watch to their streaming element on their site and restream it but not be in the chat you know what I mean like they're
**[48:14]** just trying to exploit every single aspect of the site and so I was like alright if you're gonna do like that I'll just put number 17 which is you know you don't do that don't [__] with the site because they in fact of things happens on the ports and I see people trying to log into the admin panel and [__] like that you know I'm gonna duck stores eyepiece in store remember does that make sense people
**[48:47]** aren't supposed to try and log into my the admin panel and find backdoors and [__] like that no way no but they can't do that unless you specifically I see attempts at doing that like how what do you what did you even attempt to do that I don't even know like I just looked at my firewall I can see what port people are sitting on the report that they should be sitting on and their ports that
**[49:11]** they should not be sitting on if they sit on the wrong ports that's the problem are you sure you're not just being paranoid yeah absolutely certain what do you base that on I'm nutrition I know intuition well okay so you are paranoid then I mean how do you know sir exact I could read they sit on a port they're not supposed to sit on and so you could see them you can see somebody's on the same
**[49:48]** IP to sit and scan all the ports that's that's a hacking tool like that they'd although everything that happened that day trust me that wasn't supposed to happen I wrote number 17 instantly because I know it came from over there and so you know was that one this much put psyche stream on your website oh I don't know me was it different day I don't know perhaps it was I think it was the one of the
**[50:16]** days where Kowalski was restreaming and whatnot you know whose skin is normal yeah but I'm just saying that if you know if I see that people are sinister about it they're trying to scan my pores in order to log into the server in order to [__] my site then I will I will do anything to defend it even if I have to do something extreme that makes sense wait when you say extreme would that be a
**[50:47]** symbol ban no that's what I'm saying dogs we're talking about ip's released and [__] like that why is the chat's I want me to run I used to say the way it's intended join the chat look at the stream don't restream [__] don't you know don't try login to the admin panel don't try to scan all the ports for backdoors I mean III know I know one [__] like that happens dude this guy section wouldn't have
**[51:20]** a question what happen what happens when break international rule number one cue style is love kitty style is done so you are basically immune to all the types of service that you yeah because I'm I'm capable of balancing things out so in a way you could just say yourself feel like kitty this sounds like a site doomed to fail yeah I can't sound very stable sir all right there is no longevity I mean I think you're
**[51:59]** gonna if you're gonna ban other people for breaking these terms of service but you're allowed to do it doesn't that make you a hypocrite no I'm not gonna break the Terms of Service that's the whole point is that I'm not gonna bully anybody I'm not gonna stalk nobody I'm not gonna concern troll anybody I'm not gonna attack anybody in sight I won't be vicious I won't be lying and I won't be slandering people I won't be
**[52:23]** defaming anybody on the site and I'll be good as good as I can be [Music] hate speech like I won't be doing that but I can criticize things and I will be doing that you know I can be a jerk from time to time but then that that what it says is you know don't be a jerk like don't be generally a dirt jerk so you can be it from time to time rooms you know exactly
**[52:49]** I said it's okay but even though it says number nine don't be a jerk so I guess what it says it's like don't be a jerk all the time is what it incinerates right it's like don't be consistently a piece of [__] monotonous daily life then they have to find a balance they have to also be good right so number nine goes hand in hand with number 10 you know facility 11 and supporting environment be an
**[53:29]** asset to the community if you're is that then you can always balance it out with being a jerk from time to time does that make sense like you get some good points for being good and then we're gonna be like that's cool and then it's you know then you're a jerk the next night that by definition be what you call concerns rolling like if they're just doing it to act to seem good oh yeah I guess
**[53:53]** if there's no sincerity you know if it's all just to hate and you're you know you almost can't hold it back then there's probably gonna be a problem and admin is gonna say something about it and say yeah I have a couple but it what I was thinking about was that it was gonna be me you know I'm gonna yeah well I mean there's other Athens I think you can maybe I don't think you can maybe
**[54:37]** you can't see it left so I don't know you don't know what's up for debate left this statement leftist insertion list I've known good in them I I beg to differ I think they have some good in there some of them no no I was very clear about I'm gonna follow all the rules like I'm like even though I am raised above the rules I put these rules because this is how I want to be but
**[55:14]** you realize I mean that makes your total hypocrite if you hey you tell me what Rich Brooks did I braked and I am NOT saying you broke broken any rules right now I'm just saying if you're allowed to break the rules on your own if you're a king in Denmark right yes you wouldn't drive around drunk driving everywhere and [__] up every single rule of the land right I don't know but would you have to would
**[55:54]** you have to abide by the realize you wouldn't have to you wouldn't have to abide by the rules but you wouldn't go out and break them either right you're okay UK yeah but as a king you still if you're if you're a good king you care about your kingdom right you wouldn't go out and make a fool of yourself in your you remember do you remember when that one bridge was closed I think was store built
**[56:19]** it was closed to travelers because of a stormy weather but there was but then the prince of came around this bridge now this is our bridge not only did was he allowed to cross the bridge everyone else was told to stay back and then you get to the front of the line that's that's what I call I get that I get that and you know what I'm come I'm gonna try my very best to be a
**[56:53]** good king of this you know I think you easily I think there are monarchs out there that really care about their kingdoms and really want to rule certainly not anyone really no not in Denmark but you're right I agree with you but but I still think that there are people that really care about what they do and then they put integrity into it you know I don't want to be one of those I don't want to
**[57:29]** be a hypocrite why not secure that's cuz we haven't faced the HTTPS [__] what is that it's like an has security protocols so like it's like no no it's safe what it means is that when you send data out and you make a not secure is the definition of not safe yeah but so yes so when you send an inquiry out to the server there's nothing that says somebody a third party can't tap into it because
**[58:11]** it's not secure like there's it's open like the data that gets sent from the web server and out to you or whatever there's nothing there's no security check in between to encrypt that so it just means that people could potentially take that data but think about this right all of this data is already like you can just freely copy the check you can copy the stream right so you know it is it doesn't make a bit
**[58:37]** of difference and but but it's like it's a security check if you go check out what is HTTPS it means it's gtps safe right and it is something that they implemented for a couple of years ago so it's like a it's a protocol it's it's it just means that there's an extra check that says this data when it comes back to the server it has not been corrupted it just checks that the data remains encrypted and
**[59:06]** it comes out in one piece without somebody being able to tap into it now the chances of somebody tapping the data and even if they did it's not you know you're not talking about passwords or anything like that okay anyone who no they're not the only day that I went into looking into the eyepiece was when people literally tried to break into the server like I knew it was happening right I knew they were trying to
**[59:53]** find backdoors I was like nope nope so I looked up the eyepiece and I immediately released them so it's possible for me to do but I haven't done that since you know people use it properly I ask anybody who's here now if they have had their eye piece you know released or anything I don't collect IPS I don't do anything it's circumstantial so when I see people when I see if there's there's inconsistencies on my server
**[1:00:23]** and I see that things are like this is not supposed to be this way and that's not supposed to pay that's right as long as well as many others like a cognizant and other people they have accused dispatch of IP scraping and easily getting information and stuff like that well I'm on bid wave right now and I don't see the same warning that I see on your site it doesn't say not secure on fade away if
**[1:00:57]** that CV that's because he fixed HTTPS it's it's in the works like last time I did it it's been it's been there before but I'm just scared that when I put it on that it's gonna [__] something up on the server because it's a little bit like you you have to fix something with a name server and you gotta have something called SSH and then you have something called like I don't know extra called something else
**[1:01:21]** but it's it's it takes a little bit to set up it's not impossible and it's gonna be made but we have them be one of the I'm not too concerned being think about it what this is what data is it that you're scared about that's not like I'm serious about it it's it really doesn't make a damn difference because think about this think about it this way so excited the data that's in the chat is already
**[1:01:58]** public like you can see it there's nothing that needs to be encrypted what does that mean I'm not I'm not a you know a geek it means that the data that's that you put out there if somebody taps into that then they will be getting like think about this if you hack the entire site and take everything what will you be getting you should be getting chance and Anna stream right which is already publicly available so
**[1:02:32]** what is it that you're scared that that that people can tap into that when you think about it this is just like really think about what it is you're saying here so basically what you're saying is that you're scared that when you type in the chat that somebody can take that data well they can already if they just copy-paste it it's like no that's not my concern my concern is that say I make an account on
**[1:03:00]** here right I give you a password yeah that's probably some other kind of authentication that's safe that is safe so no one would be able to you know scrap no one can see your email no one can see your passwords it cannot be Taryn except for you I cannot tap it I cannot even do it well I don't I can not yeah there's no he's saying like he's saying it in check there's no accounts on here
**[1:03:30]** I don't have any people's any information I don't have your email I don't have your name I don't have your password I don't have anything like that that's a third party but they have even they have secure they have HTTPS so that is safe right so on the third party where you do make an account it's safe there they have encryption okay so what he's saying in the chat is is true I don't even I don't
**[1:04:01]** even hold any meaning I don't know who pandas Bosh is I never seen him it's somebody I mean I'm not I'm not gonna say anything but it's Vegas I think he's neutral well you give us your name and password that's correct are we gonna see some updates to your Terms of Service right I mean after we've been going over I thought about one thing that one thing where it was like if you're below 18 if you're
**[1:04:38]** under the age of 18 and make sure that you have the consent of your parents to be here and if not then you cannot be here so you would ban yes and again we go back to it how do you know that they have parents permission I mean like how do you know that when you click I'm over 18 that somebody's ovaries like it's that's a stupid question no it's actually a very good question if I
**[1:05:10]** do because it's not my responsibility I can and I can't do anything about it just like I can't do anything about you know when people break the rules and they do something doesn't make a bit of difference it does though because you can be held liable as I can now I can't be held liable if I type that into the chat it's very clear if you're under the age of 18 you need to have consent from
**[1:05:40]** your parents to be here if you don't have consent from your parents you are not here your you are not to be here - the previous question like how do you know that they are not my responsibility not my problem and then we turn to the second point no I don't care I mean it's just a circular argument - yeah but it's not my problem dude no it's not well are you gonna blame the children or
**[1:06:15]** you know no of course but it's like like what can I do what can I do that's what I'm gonna do so I mean again well hold on then how do you okay so there there's there's children allowed to be on here as long as they have the consent of their parents right but yeah sure you don't know if they have the consent of their parents and if they do if you do find out that they
**[1:06:51]** don't then they will be unbanned okay without it like put out a doubt without hesitation if the parent comes and says wrong we I didn't give consent related well okay well make sure your kid never comes near this side again and will terminate the account you're welcome okay so so that's that's a no-brainer but I can't I can't do anything about it like I literally cannot do anything about it I I have I've never said like
**[1:07:26]** I don't want to have kids here like I don't give a [__] about it as I said I don't care what age people are I would like it to be a broad side where everybody could be no matter what age they are as long as they're not you know sure enough to be able to see the content that's there when you when you try to satisfy everyone you will satisfy no one have you ever heard of
**[1:07:48]** that I don't try to satisfy everyone I just say and I I do appreciate that but it's their own responsibility that's what I'm saying is that I'm not gonna be held responsible for anything you know if somebody's you know doing something it that's right but if I type it you know you should be 18 to be here unless you unless your parents it's it's fine you know who knows what about it is 17 year old and
**[1:08:22]** they're like well I think I can watch I can I can you know Mom and Dad I could [__] watch this whatever you don't care and then I don't care either because at the moment to find it's not there at all so that's you know I'm gonna put it in good as you know as I said that was the one thing that I want to add to it and say that you know if you as I
**[1:08:52]** said I put it like this if you're under 18 you need to have consent from your parents if you can't get consent from your parents you cannot be here that sounds good to me but again it's just kind of you unfortunately I think I can close it yeah exactly you can you know I can't force the people that people don't break the other things like people do nasty things to me even though they're not supposed to
**[1:09:25]** and I say no that's a crime and people still do a crime against me and they laugh at me and then it's like whatever I don't know if now but there have been crimes I mean remember when I first got into this chat and I asked you about you know let's you said I mean you don't know [Music] you're gonna kill your keyboard holy [__] dude he's mad [Music] so are you not going to respond sir
**[1:10:47]** Kenny what and you're not gonna - what you know what I don't even remember I was preoccupied with your angry type now I'm just people are putting this like they think you can just solve everything by saying something well you know that's what speech is hard that's what homosapiens yeah yeah but I'm just like like it's like it's it's like I have to be responsible for other people's [__] I don't see how I could I'm even
**[1:11:26]** could be responsible for when other people they don't okay okay let me put it into a different scenario for you so you might know I get yeah I get what you're saying is I don't think you do like people are telling me make it a plus 18 like what this plus 18 like it's like what are you talking about it doesn't say hey all the kids about I mean you can say that in a code as
**[1:11:51]** I say he OS it's not say you're going through Scouts right the Scout leader is responsible for the children if one of the children end up being kidnapped and eaten by a bear that is the Scout leaders responsibility because he is in authority because children do not have you know any authority you you get you got a as a parent you gotta give the Scout leader you're in the Scout leaders care that is the Scout leaders
**[1:12:39]** fault no matter what happens basically just comes with the job it's it's not something he may like but he took the job so he has to you know be on his toes to make sure none of the children gets eaten by bears does that make sense yeah of course so why is it any different with four server admins eye-to-eye there's nobody that's gonna hurt anybody on my site does the whole part is that I don't know
**[1:13:18]** you don't know I decide that's what I'm gonna enforce that but you understand what I mean well I understand what I meant when I said you could be held liable if someone's parents find out their children I've been on here without their consent but I guess I guess I am I'm actually speaking against my own point here because you know they have to give their consent first but what what do you think would happen if their
**[1:13:46]** child was on here without their consent and they suddenly found out and they actually you know went to the court of law there to to have you either you know have your website shut down or I don't know what they would insist on I mean I'm not a parent then I will be angry at those parents yeah well that's not a good enough answer well I'm not promised to go for other people's kids do it if
**[1:14:21]** you have a kid you put them on internet yeah but your [__] problem as a parent shouldn't be the whole [__] Internet's problems like I'm not their [__] parent nobody if you allow them to be on there no no no I'm not like I said I just told you legally I don't give a [__] about those [__] people but if if there is they're all here and they're under 18 and they're still in their parents care
**[1:14:46]** and their parents basically have to you know consent for everything they do yeah I mean don't you see it's a slippery slope to like big trouble what you mean what we've been discussing this for a half an hour now it would be big trouble for you because you know right now comprised okay [__] everybody sonoran is like what you waiting on my [__] big I'm gonna [__] about [__] children everybody's all about [__] about [__] kids
**[1:15:40]** get it calm down Oh everybody's annoying well yeah that's because you let them get to you you need to learn and I I don't want to take a bit learn why learn to deal with people can't take responsibility for their own [__] actions how is that my [__] problem that's what's pissing me off cuz they're underage and you allow it yeah and so I don't like that's their parents the parents keep an eye on them I'm
**[1:16:18]** not their [__] parent that's the thing it's not the Internet's [__] problem what the [__] kids do on the [__] Internet in fact it should be [__] parents responsibility it's in Paris game [__] keep an eye on the kids they should [__] be better [__] parents yeah yeah hardly right it's not my [__] kid but you remember my anecdote about the Scout I I'll take my part of responsibility right that's fine I you know you know
**[1:16:52]** but you know what I won't that's actually just that's exactly what it's like it's my all that kids are [__] running around I'll injured no no it's not clear right I don't give a [__] about if kids are here on Islands overall I for all I care about it I prefer they were adults I don't want to have some [__] annoying [__] kids or teenagers running around and they can't even [__] spell or what like I
**[1:17:20]** don't give a [__] this is what you have to understand is that I I don't care if it's somebody who's 90 was here or 60 or 50 or 40 or 30 or 20 or ten or five because I believe that every single person is responsible for their own [__] actions and that's what's pissing me off is that it's like why is it my [__] problem that some [__] kid find their way over here I don't [__]
**[1:17:48]** ask kids to come and join this place you might have I have I done that well your nature your side tonight I'll type it into the chat I'll type it into the toss right now I'll type no [__] kids I mean I think that's your I told you my mom used to you might be angry at right now you might be angry at me now but I think you're gonna find that this is the right decision
**[1:18:17]** to make you're gonna have way less problems I told you 20 minutes ago I was gonna add it right okay right so why are we still talking about kids I don't know man you think it's weird that we always have to talk about kids in my life yeah yes Ronnie yeah that's [__] weird can we like why um well let's be honest here I was talking about many things other than kid I mean we win right
**[1:18:45]** I don't want to talk about kids like what where the [__] are we talking about it why are we talking about kids all the time why I don't know man yeah I don't know either I think it's child its entire porn it's like [__] oh well I guess it was because the rules were unclear and clear very clear [Music] there want one more question kidding read the toss update the toss out the page I'll take the
**[1:19:33]** page ok ok ok ok would you consider what I've done here concerns rolling no I I just it's just annoying it's annoying that everybody is like as if this it's annoying that this is my problem you know it's like well you're the sideline no no no but just do you understand that it's not it's not that you're concerned what's pissing me off is this society as a whole it's like I have to be like I'm not
**[1:20:03]** their father I'm not your [__] father what happened to people use their own [__] brain and think for themselves I should just know what you mean no sir I am I am tired of society - what do you think I do you think I'm more welcome in society than you are no I just do this that's what's pissing me off is that I there should just be what there shouldn't be a million rules here there should
**[1:20:28]** be one rule and says think for yourself think before you speak think before just think [__] use your brain like I don't know that should be one rule just one rule think fine I am fine brain I'm happy that you did 18 if you're below 18 you need consent from your parents to be here otherwise you are not welcome here there you said it in stone now no one can get after you for that yeah thank
**[1:20:56]** you [Music] I hadn't thought about it before you know but you're right you know of course you need to cover yourself like that and this is how I feel it's like I don't mind what you know like because there I know that there's some picture this right you know there's some people they are mmm they're younger than 18 and they they they're from there allowed for the parents to be there they they have a different mindset
**[1:21:30]** I know when I was 15 when I was 16 and when I was 17 whatever I had an idea for the book I wanted at that age I mean I was but let's put it like this if I had what's this site right that's just 16 17 18 17 whatever you're old it wouldn't have damaged me you know I wouldn't have made a damn difference it would right and his next class that you just added to
**[1:21:56]** your toes no but you know what a mile up says it would have made a difference so what I'm saying is that I don't want to exclude anyone just because of that if they if it's okay for their parents fine because then you have there you have the opportunity to be a teacher for somebody maybe they're you know think about if they could be on another place on the engine or whatever you know I think it's
**[1:22:21]** in a way it's it's um you'd rather want to have somebody here for instance that somebody else and I'm not saying that this is the best place for kids because probably it's probably not but just that there's like really bad place orange-red no I think the clause in your TOS because yeah right don't have go there you know some so I just get butthurt and you know yeah yeah so it's good that there's that clause but
**[1:22:52]** the reason why I'm not typing just so I understand the reason why I'm not telling no under 18 year olds the reason why I'm not typing that instead of typing well you can't be under 18 but you know it's wrong like you need you need your parents consent exactly exactly so you know it's it's totally up to that and so I mean cuz then sir do you understand how that makes you that that drops the responsibility
**[1:23:20]** from you because you've put that in there so you know it's up to everyone who reads TOS to understand and if they don't understand and they defy the tos despite how much it might be yeah it's not your problem anymore you see you understand yeah yeah yeah do so but I just I just I want to get my point out is that you know if there's somebody who's under 18 and they need guidance right then this
**[1:23:55]** wouldn't be a bad place where they could get guidance if they say no no I don't know you've probably got some trolls from the bid wave here I mean including myself I'm not the most honest nor if I figured out that somebody was 16 right and I saw some bid waivers or somebody's coming approach those people I would I would instantly go and I would be a father for those kids did you understand what I mean
**[1:24:19]** like I would say to whoever bid waiver whoever is trying to approach these people or trying to you know like I would say hey that's a kick you you do you use don't ya but now now you have the tool to say hey you should have watched your kid better about the parents now I'm like because the parents wouldn't be around right so just watch that's entirely on them now oh yeah yeah but but but you
**[1:24:45]** added a new rule to your TOS that's entirely on oh yeah oh yeah the thing is my bu they're actually expect any kids to be here but let's say there was then they would have a they would they would be protected in a different way than the adults like the adults that that do anything towards those kids will be told to back off you know would be told to like you don't do it you should hear
**[1:25:17]** because that's that's certainly not what the site is about and it will never be like I could I would be really mad now I understand what you mean you're saying that you know sexual predators yes what would you know they would get basically fanned yeah trying to you know approach on children absolutely absolutely I would I would like they would they would get out like they would they would get cake the kids were here let's protect
**[1:25:49]** it except the Roman boy I am and I am like I I care about people this what you have to understand like I really I actually care I care about everyone it doesn't matter what age it's just the people that are most innocent they don't they get more protection the people that are less innocent they can take care of themself that's how I look at it right so okay kitty it's late in the night I have
**[1:26:20]** to go to bed basically okay I appreciate that you invited me in and even spend like over an hour talking to me okay or you hope you I hope you dried the site by the way I am on the scene right now oh cool I usually town yet because I want I want that not secure mark to disempower all right so so if you try and go on the third-party site which is minute that's the check
**[1:26:47]** that that it's run through right if you go on there you'll see that it's actually it's actually safe so where you have to login and type your email it's actually a that's actually absolutely safe well yeah this was a good conversation to have because it also makes people clear about their taunts and stuff yeah make an account look at everybody else everybody else that made in the counter pretty sure they feel safe do you get are
**[1:27:12]** there's like four people here I mean come on well they made an accountant you guys feel like you your accountant anything has been exposed or anything I promise you I can I cannot see the email that people register with and I cannot see the password yeah but you you understand that oh I have to go on that is your word for it I don't like I don't even to a degree I don't even trust dispatch I
**[1:27:38]** mean he's got my phone number he's probably got my email his side oh and to a degree I don't even trust him fully he hasn't done anything to me yet even though I you know kind of expect that in the early days I mean I'm not definitely not you know cognizant do things he's just gonna you know share it to the entire know interweb somebody he mentions here that I don't have a database I don't actually
**[1:28:04]** hold any data so there's no way I can fine that's all fine but can we talk about this another day I'm kind of I can't have to go now for sure alright thanks for the talk dude and remember to and what clause in your in your cos that's otherwise yeah trouble of course if there's more we figure out that that's that needs to be covered we'll add it we will add good good on you dude good
**[1:28:33]** on ya so uh see you later dude yes you later sleep tight thank you Jesus Christ man one and a half hour I don't even know what to say that's uh that's amazing he didn't kick me at all well it ends here