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**[00:00]** I just want to get I just want to know where you get your moral values from. That's all. >> Well, you could so in order to answer your question, you could ask the same question. It's like where do you think Jesus gets his moral values from? He looked at the potato then he thought about its simplicity and that it's a gift from God and and he thought about how could he appreciate its value and I'm doing
**[00:21]** the same thing with a potato and I find that it teaches many of the same. It has much of >> I'm sure Jesus would have got Jesus would have got his moral values from his mommy and daddy. So Joseph and Mary you can get moral values from many things. You can >> you ask about Jesus. He would have got them from Joseph and Mary >> and God probably as well. You would think, >> right? And so
**[00:47]** God showed me a potato, right? Showed me that it's it's it's an equal pathway to God. You can communicate with God through a potato because God shows the way. God shows the way in many ways also through the wheat like but that's a known symbol, right? So I'm just taking something that's a known symbol. Potato. >> Are you taking any meds for that? Have you been prescribed meds? >> What I'm saying is is perfectly sane. If
**[01:14]** you if you want to position that >> No. It it's it's just a philosophy and it's religion, you know. It's a people have pondered upon existential questions for thousands of years. That's not insane. That's very sane. Just because >> I know I never said I could talk about that. I just asked you about >> No, no. Well, I'm I'm just saying just because people stick with what they know doesn't mean that new ideas cannot arise. Like
**[01:45]** that's that's that's one of the tenants of potatoism as well is that you just you know you're simple and grow and from that simplicity and growth that's when everything else come come out of it you know so I'm very grateful for what you know if if it if that's God that has shown that to me then I'm very grateful for what I what has been shown. >> Have you told your philosophy to people in real life
**[02:08]** or just on this book? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess >> and the people you told us about in real life, did were they did they look you in the eye when you were telling it to them? >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, it has brought me fortune and and success. >> Did they have any concerns? Did they have any concerns regarding your mental wellbeing? Did they ask you about medications? >> I mean, people have different reactions to
**[02:32]** it. It depends on what you're able to comprehend, right? >> So, if you say no to that, if you say no that didn't that there wasn't anything like that, I'll be surprised. Well, all I'm saying is that established belief is a limitation of belief and potato is a is an expansion of the mind is is a liberation. Yeah. You >> What were some of the reactions like when you said this to people in real life? >>
**[02:58]** Well, I'm not confined by by limitations, you know. That's why that's why it's not a problem for me. And I >> say you were >> wait. Okay. Well, so what's what's your >> asking what did the people when you said this philosophy to people in real life, what was their general response and give me some of the highlights. >> I haven't talked with that many like I talk mostly with people on the internet. >> But you
**[03:22]** said you you spoke to people in Ro too. >> Yeah. >> But they I guess they think it's interesting. >> You mean I guess weren't you there to remember? >> I don't know. Oh, I spent a lot of time on the internet. >> I know. But you also said you spoke to us in real life, so we're talking about that. >> Well, people entered are real, >> right? But but when you look someone in the eye
**[03:53]** and told them this to them, they didn't laugh at you. They didn't think you shouldn't worry about your mental health. >> Why would they have you? I would be if you were telling me if you were telling me on Discord, you know, everyone knows in Discord, but if someone were to tell me this in real life and look me in the eye, I would be seriously worried about their mental wellbeing. I would be >> all right.
**[04:12]** Okay. Well, I'm not like everyone else and that that's okay, you know. Um, we don't do cool, bro. Have a little laugh. Have a little troll. That's fine, bro. We can have a laugh. But do you believe this in real life and told this people in real life? I would that would be shocking to me. >> Okay. Well, I'm I'm not trolling. So, you know, all I'm >> You must be trolling. >> Why would I be
**[04:35]** trolling? >> If you're not trolling, you're not trolling. Then you would have told this to people in real life. >> I studied a lot of religion, you know. Studied most of >> what you're saying here is just just nonsense, isn't it? >> I don't think so. >> Come on. >> Can you make a refute something that I said then? >> Yeah. What's a potato? What is that? What's the definition of that? It's It's a food. It's
**[05:01]** many things. >> There's many things. Give me a definition of potato. What? What are you talking about? >> Well, I feel like it's a dumb question. What is the definition of potato? You tell me. >> You're the one who's saying that potato, but every other word out your mouth is potato. So, what is the definition of that word? >> Well, you can just Google it. I can do it for you. >> The thing you eat >>
**[05:27]** potato. It's a starchy plant tuber which is one of the most important food crops cooked and eaten as a vegetable. >> All right. And you're saying that's God or something like that? What did you say, sir? >> No, something you said. >> Yeah, I said it's the it's it's the pathway to God. You can communicate with God through a potato. >> But but why a potato? Well, why not carrot? >> You could do that too if
**[05:51]** you want to, >> right? So then what? So then then you need to take a step back and start calling it vegetableism or something. I don't know start classifying what you're saying better. So it's not really potato something. It's going to be any fruit something or any vegetable and fruit something. So maybe you want to call it greeneryism or maybe herbalism or maybe you want to call it fruit. Is it is it does it work with
**[06:13]** fruits as well? Just vegetables. >> Yeah, fruits and vegetables. >> Okay. So maybe you want just just cut to the chase. Call it a plant plantism. You got a plant test ideology. That that's more accurate. I think be more appropriate. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I suppose I suppose it is. But I, you know, it's I can't I can't dwell on all the symbols all at once. And so, >> what you're saying is we can get
**[06:40]** to God. We can get to God through plants. Yeah. Any plant. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, now now you start, now I'll start to agree with you, sir. >> Yeah. >> I believe that. I believe we can worship God through nature. Nature is our window to God. >> Yeah, that's the whole point. >> Nature is our window to God. An animal, a plant, a natural landscape, all of these are windows to God. >> Yes. So that's the
**[07:02]** whole point. That's the whole point. So there's nothing magical or wrong about him. It's it's all true and and good and simple and life affirming. It's all about, you know, worshiping the >> potato. That's what that's plants and God. Remember >> potato is a pathway to God. It's just another pathway. >> No, no. Nature is a pathway to God. >> Yes. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Be specific. Be specific. It's important. >> So, but that's why it doesn't
**[07:31]** refute, you know, it doesn't uh stand against Christianity. It doesn't um it has nothing. >> I think it does. >> Well, >> I think it does. It didn't affirm Jesus in any any moment. So, they're going to say you're you're a heretic. >> Oh, yeah. Some people will probably see it that way. They will threaten be threatened. feel threatened on their exist existence, right? uh especially >> you know the >> because it's a threatening idea >>
**[08:00]** you know the people of Europe before they were Christians >> they all believed in this they believed that you can use plant they were pagans they believed you can use plants >> to achieve great things and achieve >> goodness psych all this kind of stuff so therefore people already believed what you're saying before the Christians came >> yeah so I I don't really claim to invent anything new I just have a modern take on it and
**[08:20]** I just kind of live like the potato of life right because I want to see well how many things can we really pull out of this simple how many um you know because I want to present something that's alternative to what we have today because what we have >> call it don't call it potato call it something like herbalism or plantism call it that otherwise you'll look like a fool >> sure I I just I mean
**[08:43]** I don't know I think it's a quirky name potatoism is kind of funny people think it's a meme that's kind of more funny because you Because it's not well you're presenting not potato isism. It's it's naturalism. The true version of naturalism getting to God through plants and nature. >> I suppose >> presenting >> I suppose it's my own personal it's my own personal flavor you could say right but there's a lot of you know there's a
**[09:10]** a lot of universal truth in it. You don't have to sign up to it, but you know, I would encourage a more natural way of life as opposed to if you look at the world today. You know, Christians, >> natural is better. I agree. >> Jews and and Muslims are creating a wealth of all the problems and they're not listening and they don't care. And it's just I feel like we're >> the Jews and Muslims are
**[09:34]** creating problems, but the Christians aren't and the Buddhists aren't and the Hindus aren't. You really believe that? Well, I think maybe everyone creates problems, right? But I just >> No, I wouldn't agree with that. I don't think everyone creates problems, but I don't think if you're going to say two religions create problems, you should put in a few more. >> Right. Right. So, so yeah. Well, a lot of a lot of religions create uh problems. And
**[09:56]** probably if potatoism was the biggest religion, it probably also create problems, right? But my issue, my personal issue is the corrupt church is the, you know, priests and so on and so forth, >> right? And >> but by by forming a religion, you know what that you know what a religion necessarily needs? A religion necessarily needs a centralized doctrine and a hierarchy to institute that doctrine. If you don't have that, philosophy is just a personal philosophy
**[10:24]** and ideology blah blah. For it to be a religion, you need to be waited to be codified. You needed to be standardized, right? And then you need a centralized agency to manipulate. So for example, any religion you take, for example, Islam, they've got a codified text, a standardized uh understanding and a central authority. Same as Christians, same as Jews, same as Buddhists, same as any other religion. Whereas for example, if you take like, oh no, Marxism
**[10:47]** or whatever, some other ideology or whatever. Well, that's just some person thinking, yeah, maybe we'll do it with some other people, but it's not standardized. It's not codified, right? Right. >> It's not it's not a religion. Believe in God. So not religion. >> No, I I agree with you. It's it's more a philosophy than it is a religion and it is vers very personalized. It's not like I'm asking people to join up to it but I
**[11:08]** mean if you join up to it it's kind of like just you know agreeing with >> would it be a religion? It would be a philosophy as you said, a philosophy or a ideology. You could put it one or the other. >> Right. Right. But I I think, you know, I'm happy about it. Right. I think it's beautiful book because I can kind of bundle everything into it and related to everything else and it kind of
**[11:24]** it just fits so neatly. And maybe you're right that it should be called vegetableism. But, you know, I I favored the >> as well. So, it would have to be plantism or herbalism. If you're really smart, you'll call it herbalism because herbs are not plants or fruits. I I just I like the the symbol of potato, but let's just say that the the other vegetables and fruits, they're they're they have the equal value in a sense
**[11:49]** that they are just the same, just a little bit different, right? You know what I mean? Like and and and they are all the same pathway and I just landed on the potato. Like if you take a lottery and you and you pull a 100 numbers, maybe you get 69 and that's where a potato is, you know? So good. Believe what you want. >> Well, if you put all the if you put all the vegetables and
**[12:13]** fruits out on a list, right, from A to Z and it was a 100 and then you just pull a random number and then you pick a any fruit or any vegetable, then I just landed on potato and I feel very potato. It's very kind of like time to celebrate. So maybe you can go and have some chips to celebrate. >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But I think, you know, I'm not surprised to see a lot of
**[12:40]** vegetable religions and and and philosophies, uh, you know, spring up because I've talked a lot about, you know, this kind of philosophy as a means to, you know, break up the organized religion that is already there. And I'm sorry for making it sound like, you know, I'm I don't I don't want to be unfriendly or an enemy to religion. It's just I can't I I don't see where we're going with everything. And it really like it's
**[13:03]** not not that you want to separate people from God, but some people need to start thinking instead of just like you know like do we do you see the same thing? I'm like I see a like people are very blind. >> I think I think people should do less thinking and more feeling. They've forgotten how to feel properly. >> Yeah. Perhaps perhaps yeah >> they've never thought properly either. I mean they their thinking needs to improve
**[13:29]** as well but their feeling needs to improve faster and buy more. Yeah, >> their intuitions are dead. They're all following books. Dumb >> Yeah. And they should just learn from as you know a potato as simple, right? Because then they will come to their own they will grow their their brains will grow instead of just stagnated be like well right here in chapter 16 it says wait hold on. It says that Jesus said that you know
**[13:51]** like >> can you stop with the potato but there's only like two of us here I think. I'm not even no one I can't hear. I can't see my screen but no one else talking. Well, Jordan B. Peterson is here. >> But yeah, what do you what do you want to talk about then? Let's let's go. I mean, it's fair. >> You want to talk about something serious? I don't think you'll be able to make to
**[14:11]** lift it up if I'm if I lay down a serious topic, which we could discuss. Forget about debate. Debate. Hold on. Because debate is so formal. Blah blah. >> Yeah. off. Let's forget about debate. I'm going to put some down on the table. And if you want, I'll do this. I'll I'll I'll do this for you, right?